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埃涅阿斯
埃涅阿斯 楼主 高级表友 认证表主
看论坛和贴吧,有人说39系机芯和2824关系密切,求问有没有大神能帮忙讲一下渊源?
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有这种说法吗?我也想听听
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埃涅阿斯
埃涅阿斯 高级表友 认证表主 板凳
If one compares the pictures of Glashuette Original movements in older catalogues with those printed in the recent ones, the different movement designations are immediately evident: The older watches are equipped with the movement cal. 10-30, whereas the newer ones have the cal. 39. However, aside from the drastically improved optical finish, the two movements seem to be the same: the same wheels and the same screws seem to be located in the same places on both movements. So where are the differences that justify that new designation, or is this just a try to cheat, to pretend a new movement where there is none?
Let’s have a look at the history of these two movements: When the communist German Democratic Republic found its end as a souvereign state, the state-owned “Glashuetter Uhrenbetrieb” was busy developing a new selfwinding movement. Solid it should be, and efficient.

Before the works could be finished, the company was sold to the French movement manufacturer France Ebauches SA. This company tried to save itself from bankruptcy by means of German know-how and the cheap labour in Eastern Germany. The new selfwinding movement should compete with the Swiss movements produced by ETA, and was therefore developed specifically with a high momentum and maximum universality in mind. Before the short-time owner of the Glashuette watch manufactory had to develop a new movement, they found already a good movement in Glashuette: In 1978, the V.E.B. ("Volkseigener Betrieb" = People's owned company) Glashuetter Uhrenbetriebe (GUB) brought out their last completely new construction, the cal. 11-26, dubbed Spezichron.

This Spezichron was modernized in several steps under control of first the France Ebauches, then the Treuhand-Anstalt, and finally of Heinz W. Pfeifer, until it found its way as cal. 10-30 into the new watches of Glashuette Original. Under control of the Treuhandanstalt, which, from 1990 to 1994, took over the former East German state-owned companies and sought to bring them into the private sector, the movement cal. 10-30 was completed and used in a new and very cheap line of watches after 1993.


Spezichron and cal. 11-27 photos courtesy of Herbfarm
This movement was the successor of the popular "Spezimatic", which was produced from 1964 until 1980. Compared to the Spezimatic, the new Spezichron was smaller and faster: 28,800 A/h, while the Spezimatic only had 18,000. With that movement, the East German GUB could compete with the common movements of Swiss origins. The Spezichron was solid and accurate. Additionally, a version with weekday display was made; it was designated cal. 11-27.

A year later, in 1994, the company was bought by Heinz W. Pfeifer, and immediately the cal. 10-30 was thoroughly revised in order to equip high-class watches. More than 60 changes were made, until the movement, which internally was designated cal. 10-30/2, was used for the then new “Klassik”-line. However, the movement’s potential for refinement was exhausted. It was used in all self-winding Glashuette Original watches, including the chronographs, which added a chrono module to the base movement.

Yet there were plans for more complications, which could not be based on the trusted 10-30 movement; a new development was necessary. However, it was neither economically feasible nor desirable to have completely new cases and dials produced for the new base movement. Therefore, the starting point of the effort was the condition, that the new movement had the same dimensions, as well as the location of important parts, such as the winding stem, must be the same as in the old 10-30. Additionally, the planned new complication modules should have enough space on the movement’s front.

All elements of the 10-30 movement, which were tried and reliable, were taken over into the new construction, above all the complete escapement was transferred. Even these parts were refined, however, with the addition of a swan neck adjust
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埃涅阿斯
埃涅阿斯 高级表友 认证表主 地板
http://www.thepurists.com/brandjpg/go/calibers/cal39.html
终于找到了
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埃涅阿斯
埃涅阿斯 高级表友 认证表主 5楼
没有提和eta的关系。倒是说了和gub机芯的关系。
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Elsie537
Elsie537 高级表友 认证表主 6楼
这个39机芯就是老的国营GUB的遗产,我见过一些东德老表,开盖后,里面的机芯,就长这个样子。和现在的39的区别,一个是打磨装饰,这个自然的,另一个就是没有鹅颈微调。
这东西从板路上说和ETA 28系没啥联系。
当年很多表都是36小时到40小时的能储,原因是过去一周就休息一天。
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埃涅阿斯
埃涅阿斯 高级表友 认证表主 7楼
感谢,最近想买一块1-39-58-01-02-14,现在看来,还是再攒点钱直接买朗格吧
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jsjc_liubp
jsjc_liubp 黄金表友 认证表主 8楼
德表其实挺好的,就是太不保值了
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Litstone0421
Litstone0421 黄铜表友 9楼
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Elsie537 发表于 2022-7-26 23:31
这个39机芯就是老的国营GUB的遗产,我见过一些东德老表,开盖后,里面的机芯,就长这个样子。和现在的39的 ...
最近看了你对机芯研究很深, 我想知道 那这些没有用硅游丝的手表, 怎么来保证防磁的呢。。
同时历峰集团没有硅游丝, 他们的游丝撒情况啊
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Elsie537
Elsie537 高级表友 认证表主 10楼
本帖最后由 Elsie537 于 2024-9-30 10:52 编辑
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Litstone0421 发表于 2024-9-30 09:24
最近看了你对机芯研究很深, 我想知道 那这些没有用硅游丝的手表, 怎么来保证防磁的呢。。
同时历峰集 ...
朋友,你问到了一个历峰集团会原地爆炸的问题……
当然是不防磁的啦,哈哈哈。
要防磁,就是古典手段,用一个软铁(不能是钢),或者叫 生铁 的内胆,做一个磁力隔绝的容器,把机芯包在内部,这样来解决。我平时存储备份数据用的移动硬盘,就是放在这样一个生铁盒子里的,隔绝磁场。偶尔出门带着备用的表,也是这个盒子。
历峰集团之前在名士的那个120小时能储的机芯上用了一次硅游丝,然后被人律师函警告了,然后马上第二批出货就改回了传统游丝。因为硅游丝有专利问题,理论上就那几家可以用。这件事,你有兴趣的话,可以去试着搜索一下之前名士的宣传,互联网是有记忆的。
部分厂商走了迂回路线,就是游丝还是传统的,但是擒纵叉和擒纵棘轮这两个部件改成硅的。效果不如硅游丝好,但是比没有强。目前来看,历峰集团的话,就是积家的新一代的70小时能储的三针机芯用了这个方案。
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